Subject: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: e-Warrior Date: 6/30/2002 11:56:33 PM
IP: 195.147.234.183 |
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I noticed that the same falsehoods and misconceptions concerning Sifu Kan and VKCVT keep on cropping up in threads on this forum. In order to try and scotch them once and for all, the following is a list of these along with the reasons why I think they wrong. My apologies if I've answered any of this before, but the idea is to bring everything together. POINT 1: Sifu Kan learnt the system in 7-8 years but his students are taking at least 20. ANSWER: You can arrive at all sorts of conclusions if you compare apples with pears. Yes, VK learnt in 7 years but this was full time - 3-4 hours a day, 7 days a week. Few VT/WC/WT students can train like that these days. Therefore, 20 years part time is more like 5 or 6 full time. And people learn at different rates from one another as well. POINT 2: He is only teaching part of the system. ANSWER: This is just plain wrong. He WILL teach you the dummy, third form etc. In fact, some of his senior students ARE learning them. POINT 3: Sifu Kan did not learn the entire system under Yip Man. ANSWER: Also simply wrong. Just ask any of his kung fu brothers, not many of whom are still alive. Remember - most of the people teaching outside of Hong Kong started training after VK left. Ignore Rene Ritchie on this - he not even Yip Man lineage anyway. POINT 4: He does not know the entire system anyway. ANSWER : Wrong again. He offers courses and private lessons in the dummy, third form and weapons. This would be impossible if point 4 were true. POINT 5: Because you never see any advanced techniques, he lacks ability. ANSWER: As I may have said before, it not how MANY techniques you need to defeat an opponent, but how FEW that is a measure of true skill in Wing Chun. Do not misinterpret this as saying that advanced techniques should never be used either. You should do what is necessary to nullify what threat is there, nothing less, nothing more. This is a basic VT/WC/WT principle. Most people haven seen VK do any advanced stuff because few people have managed to pose a real threat. POINT 6: He is ripping his students off by charging too much money and by teaching the advanced stuff above Chum Kil privately. ANSWER: His training fees are not excessive. He does now only teach stuff above Chum Kil privately, but so did Yip Man. People within the organisation reckon Sifu Kan should have done this from the beginning because such advanced techniques are best taught in a one to one context. POINT 7: The title of Chi-sao?is unsubstantiated since it self appointed. ANSWER: title was given to him by his kung fu brothers (NOT his students as one misguided soul thought). If it not true, why has none of those who trained with him complained? POINT 8: His title of Grandmaster is also self appointed. ANSWER: Which therefore applies to the Yip brothers, Leung Ting, William Cheung, Wong and anyone else called randmaster?after Yip Man. POINT 9: He is engaged in a political war of words. ANSWER: Unfortunately, Wing Chun has become very political as you all know and everyone seems to be engaged in that war, not just VK. The trouble with the politics is that if you state your case, you?e accused of having an ego. If you remain silent, then this is an admission of guilt. POINT 10: He? got people doing stances for three months before they learn anything else. ANSWER: If so, then I? training at a different school. I have NEVER, EVER seen this. Even in the old days when the training was even slower than it is now, this never happened. POINT 11: All his senior students leave when they get to the dummy, because they can? advance any further. ANSWER: Who knows why people leave? This happens in all schools. People? lives change along with their priorities. Others think they?e not advancing when in fact they are. It is simply untrue that ALL of his seniors leave. There are those who have stuck with Victor Kan through thick and thin and are still training under him. POINT 12: He verbally abuses his students and has no respect for them. ANSWER: I would never train at such a school. VK never shouts at his students or insults them. He does, however, correct their mistakes and it seems that some people are misinterpreting this as verbal abuse for some reason that is beyond me. It could be the old east/west cultural divide - the Chinese are very direct and just tell you what to do without all the strange niceties Westerners expect. I once knew a British man whose wife was from Hong Kong - this sort of thing nearly ended their relationship. Of course, I? sure that many of you don? see eye to eye with me on the above - if so, let? hear why. PS: VK is NOT guilty of the following: altering the system, owning a wool covered pension fund, acquiring the title of nth level of whatever, been taught secret foot work, death touches or other closed door things Yip didn? teach his own sons, or doing Kali, Escrima, cardio workouts or other non VT/WC things. What he is guilty of is demanding high standards and teaching quality Kung Fu. I suspect the latter is what is getting up some people's noses. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Pasco David Sifu Date: 7/3/2002 1:15:55 AM
IP: 213.78.85.126 |
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Its good to read the facts regarding my former Instructor Victor Kan.I would like to say that I mostly agree with what has been written.I will soon be writing regarding my own experiences with Classical Ving Tsun Kung Fu. I personally haven't found another person skills that can surpass Victor Kan's, I only wish he wasn't so childish regarding myself leaving and using pictures of me and Kevin on his site to try and discredit me. Sorry I have no time to anwser questons at the moment. Pasco David sifu ClassicalWingChun.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: MarkS Date: 7/3/2002 8:51:34 PM
IP: 203.185.217.124 |
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I don't Wong Shun Leung ever refered to himself as Grandmaster. As far as I'm aware he only called himself sifu |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Peterson Date: 7/5/2002 9:06:28 AM
IP: 203.123.86.210 |
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This is absolutely correct. Sifu Wong Shun Leung NEVER wanted to be called anything other than Sifu (teacher/coach/trainer) and detested the way in which the terms "master" and "grandmaster" had been thrown about over the years. His view was quite simple, ...if someone thought you deserving of being called "Sifu", then so be it, but as far as calling yourself any grandious titles, ...forget it! Whenever he was introduced to anyone, he always referred to himself as Wong Shun Leung, ...no titles! His student, Nino Bernardo, like the rest of us in the WSL Family, don't take kindly to those who give themselves fancy labels (we don't give them to ourselves), a legacy inherited from our teacher, and when on a tour of the USA one time, after meeting a guy calling himself "Master Instructor So-and-So", replied, "Hi, I'm Bernardo!" We reckon Sifu deserved the status of a grandmaster, but the man most definitely didn't place himself on a pedastal. DMP |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Pasco David Sifu Date: 7/6/2002 12:23:30 AM
IP: 213.78.80.177 |
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First of all I am not hear to try and defend my former Instructor, 'Victor Kan' from his actions. I am sure he could do that personally for himself. I think regarding GrandMaster it is as as simlpe as this, he who shouts the loudest will be heard.The old days are almost gone with respect given automatically to the real Masters but now these days we will have to earn it! I have decided to come to join this forum to clarify truths and facts regarding real Wing Chun Kung Fu, so that the Wing Chun world can move forward and not backwards thuse becoming stale. I am not on this Forum to teach Classical Wing Chun but to add some guidence from my own gained experiences just like the others here. Thankyou Rank for the above compliments but there should be no differences made between myself and others. I have already stated this before on the thread 'This forum is dead' regarding my name being used and tarnished, I should be criticized just like everybody else here, anyway it has already began, once I stood on my own two feet to create my own branch by my own former teacher. I know Victor Kan personally had a great repect for the Late Wong sheung Leung and when he visited Victor's kwoon here in London's china town Victor demaned I personally showed my respect by addressing him as'Si Bak'uncle. Just a point to clarify 'Sifu' anyway. This has been taken from a Cantonese article written in 1996 by Victor Appiah, a former WC student himself, now has the love for the cantonese language. Sifu which is made up of to chinese characters. At first, in its broad sense, it is meant 'a skillful person'.Therefore, Sifu did not respectively refer to an Instructor or a Master of Kung Fu. It embraced a Master or a skilled workman of a trade; be a stone mason or a carpenter or an electrician.This was later modified in usage and diversified in its meaning, with a slight change in the formation of the chinese characters to become a special title for a teacher with paternal love, a term of high respect and honour used by students or apprentice to address his or her Instructor or Master. Thuse a Sifu of Kung Fu is a term of high respect and honour used by students of Kung Fu to their Instructors. The correct way to address your Kung Fu Master is always surname first then 'Sifu' never Sifu first.For example Bruce Lee(Leih Siu Loong) was addressed by his students 'Lee Sifu' not Sifu Lee'. Pasco David Sifu ClassicalWingChun.com 10th generation. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: General Scratch Date: 7/8/2002 9:07:39 PM
IP: 212.68.234.29 |
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The people that are offended by Kan Sifu not remembering there names are quite childish. What do you imagine? How many students has he taught? Can you remember the names of the pupils in your highschool? Primary school? university? (sorry , if you ever went that far). Kan Sifu takes care not to blame or badmouth ANY of his fellow Ving Tsun practitioners as long as they don't start. As they do so of course than you can be sure that he will put them down. All these people around here, he doesn't give a crap about you; your not worth loosing a drop of spit, spilling a drop of ink. Have you ever seen him reply here? Have you ever heard one of the remaining Sifus put him down(Ip chun? Ip Ching? W.Cheung? TsT?).And they won't No, on the contrary: Ip ching was told by his father to continue VT with V.Kan; respected late WSL has published positive, honourable articles on VK (DMP should know this). I could go on but well the ones that should know do know and the others... I don't give a damn either |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: George cannel Date: 7/9/2002 12:43:41 AM
IP: 195.224.149.114 |
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I know pasco David when I trained with him for a while. Like many other schools, he seems to believe that it should take more time to learn wing chun than to study nuclear physics. It is simply absurd that people are led to believe that a relatively simple practice-based physcial activity should take years and years to learn. I had to leave his school because, while a pleasant enough guy, it never occured to him that some people learn faster than others. There was also this one guy who embodied what I hated about that school. This poor sod has been there for a year and a half, but has never done any sticking hands (single or double. How sad is that? |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragon head Date: 7/13/2002 9:27:46 PM
IP: 212.38.183.45 |
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the great grand master has finally lower him self to have to prove he is what he is all his top students have left due to the fact he admitted in class that he could not teach them any more.if kan learnt the system in 7yrs none of students could have they never stayed that long .never had a fight all he did was stick hands thats how he got the title ,he vists the USA FOR WING CHUN REFRESHER COURSES |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Zinjen Date: 7/14/2002 5:17:04 PM
IP: 80.1.224.5 |
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VK observer, if you don't like the training, you are under no obligation to go, as its your money. But don't slate the guy on this forum. Zinjen predicts that the next time VK reprimands the girl you will be cowering away as you did before. Ex same. If you don't like the guy, don't pay and don't go. If you don't like his style of teaching, don't go. Don't come here slating the guy. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: JOHHNY BLAZE Date: 7/15/2002 6:30:25 AM
IP: 208.40.37.196 |
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You snafoo's are Crazzier than Carl D. If i met a master who made me practise SLT for 1-2 years before learning Chum kiu, I would thank god for such a blessing. Or do you want to have a master like Dr.WuWu? He will learn you the whole VT system in 1 year. Of course it all means nothing since you never developed root practising SLT . V.K isnt a baby sitter, he is a fighter. Deal with it. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: e-Warrior Date: 7/15/2002 11:51:22 PM
IP: 195.147.233.133 |
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First off, my apologies to the Wong Sheung Leung camp. I had no idea that the late Wong never used the Grandmaster title. Indeed Victor Kan himself is not keen on it either, but when every Tom Dick and Harry is using this title, what can you do? To the rest of you, could you make sure you read the original points made carefully and only answer if you have something worthwhile to say. So far no one has actually managed to really challenge my original post, other than with rumours or claims with no back up proof or explanation, all of which others have easily refuted. As far as I am concerned, points 1 to 12 remain COMPLETELY unanswered. It also seems that part of the post was mangled by the forum. Could be my fault. Point 7 concerned the King of Chi-Sao title, in case you were wondering. The accusation usually made is that it is self appointed. It isn't. By the way, I am NOT Kevin Gledhill. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VT Watchdog Date: 7/18/2002 5:56:30 AM
IP: 195.147.213.80 |
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Now the World Cup Footbal and the tennis have finished. Everybody is talking about VICTOR KAN, the undisputed champion, again. James: Have you learnt Wing Chun before? For how long and from which lineage? Did your friend tell you why so many of his students stay at VKCVT for years? How come GM VK gives private lessons for weapons if his skill does not extend that far. Stupid you! Restaurant Worker: We all know that GM VK is very very rich in VT Skills. GOD wouldn't allow anayone to hit him in Chi Sao. You had better go back to work in the restaurant and learn the whole system of dish washing. Stop. VK Observer: Hi spy. GM VK dislikes people like you who go to his class to pick up boys or girls and not to learn Ving Tsun. Once found out, you'll be kicked out. Now you say bad things about GM VK and tell people not to go to his classes. But why on earth do you still go to his school every week, paying ?.66 a lesson to learn genuine VT. Are you nuts or something? you traitor. - Most people do not have the time, money and brain to go to university. Why bother if one can get a well paid job after college. It is the same situation in the VKCVT system. Some people choose not to go beyond 7th grade. - A student's progress in VKCVT is counted by lessons not by years. - Again this disqualified CVT instructor is using GM V Kans name to promote himself and pretend to be very knowledgable in Wing Chun. What a joke! The great Grandmaster Victor Kan is not a robot. He has got to eat too. Food costs money, you know. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: It Go WANG Date: 7/18/2002 7:24:33 PM
IP: 194.82.103.37 |
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But what are the alternatives to VK in London??? Simon Lau? Kevin Chan? Who else??? |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Zinjen Date: 7/19/2002 3:44:54 PM
IP: 80.1.224.5 |
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Zinjen understands your frustration, but this is not the way (for Current VK student, and VK observer). One of Zinjens's first sifu was like this, and it was very frustrating. It tuened out that he was not all that good anyway, and Zinjen left for another sifu who was everything a good sifu should be. If you guys are having problems with your sifu, this forum is not the place to air them. This achieves nothing but create mistrust in your class with other students - e.g vt watchdog, and this is not a good environment for learning ving tsun. It will not achieve anything else, it will not make your sifu change. Anonymous postings on this forum will certainly not gain you any respect. So , if you feel this strongly you have three choice, talk to sifu about it, leave and train elsewhere, or if you really think you will get the best instruction from no one else, stay quiet and learn dilligently without comment. Zinjen has never met or trained with Victor Kan so is not in a position to say anything else regarding this matter. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: It Go WANG Date: 7/22/2002 6:31:39 PM
IP: 194.82.103.36 |
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What was it exactly that Rene Richie said about Victor??? |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragon head Date: 8/1/2002 12:12:13 AM
IP: 212.38.183.45 |
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wing chun is simple art ment to be learnt fast but vk teaches it so slowly how can any of his students defend attacks the speed he teaches at you might as well learn sculpture ,his top grades are black belt who get beaten by low grades ,vk only tells he never physically adjusts people fall into the fantsy world of vk some for years some for decades at the end with low level of skills. e warrior stop sending bloated mail ref vk abilaties concentrate on your own path. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: e-warriror Date: 8/3/2002 6:14:56 PM
IP: 80.189.7.112 |
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Like a lot of people you're using the fact that VT is simple and quick to learn as an excuse to skip the skill part. I don't won't to just learn the system. I want to master it. VK's students do not lack skill just because they haven't finished the system. It's mastery of the techniques you do know which determines your skill. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragon head Date: 8/10/2002 6:47:50 PM
IP: 212.38.183.45 |
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skill is not enough and its not about doing the same drills for decades soon you to move on and apply it in real or do some sparring so you can see how it works for you in real you will get one chance for this reason if have not leaent the 2nd form you better start now or buy a video ,the 2nd form is important and it will free your statute gung fu your so proud of and if your lucky may improve yourself. on top of this if dont know the full system you limit your self in aoutside situation also if you dont progress you stagnate in every thing all the best all you v.kan wing chun WANABEES. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: e-warriror Date: 8/13/2002 4:55:19 AM
IP: 80.189.8.116 |
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Chung: If Sifu Kan dies tomorrow, although I'll mourn the passing of my Sifu, I won't be too concerned over my Kung Fu education. His top students are quite qualified to teach me what I want to know. The second paragraph seems a bit odd since you seem to be agreeing with me. It is true that just because you've learnt SLT and then moved onto something else does not mean you've mastered SLT. But that's what I was saying. It will take years for the student to master this or any form. Just because you've completed something, whether a technique, form or the entire system, does not mean you are master of it. For your info there are only three hand forms. "Hand form" means empty hand and the dummy form requires a bit of equipment. It is not necessary to know everything in the system to master it since you master techniques you learn as you progress through the system. You don't learn everything and then proceed to master it. As for Martin Bell, his knowledge is the kind of thing I'm after. Many times, people who have completed the system have stuck hands with guys like this and then been taken to bits with just the very basics you people keep deriding. And please guys, don? keep on about black shirts not knowing Bill Jee unless they pay for it. I know all this. No it? not the concepts that constitute your skill. It's their physical application. Kung Fu IS a physical activity after all. You can master the concepts all you like but without endless practice it won? mean a thing. To WC-Expert-stylist: you learn the second form in the seventh grade at VKCVT. The black sash grade is grade 8 onwards so you're just plain wrong. You can easily verify this by phoning the Grandmaster or one of his instructors. As for 3-5 years of 1st form and chi sao being excessive, it's those who think it should be less that are wrong up stairs. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragonhead Date: 8/17/2002 12:35:27 AM
IP: 212.38.183.45 |
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i am sorry but idont see i to i if after 5yrs u should be on the 2nd form in 10 yrs finished every thing cos their are tomany schools out their and no more secrets to hide but uv fallen for the sucker blow by doing the same thing over and over ,but this does not teach u to defend ur self cos if ur master teaches u7things they better work or u wont be so magnificent. u need to spar so u can change ur angle and get ur distance with this u can escape all but a few attacks the only time u block is when ur stuck no movement.also blocks can cause injury while in action,is it correct ur master has not finished the system under yip man but some one else if so this wud hint wy seniors leave and who is this poor soul of 21yrs cant defend him self off yellow belt please reply all the best victor can heros. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VT Watchdog Date: 8/22/2002 4:10:02 AM
IP: 80.189.5.50 |
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I was a VT instructor before . We always got students like you lot, coming just 2 or 3 times a month then turning to criticism. They pick up the form's name and some movements from Wing CHun books and videos and they thnk they know better than the instructor and expect him to teach what they want in their Wing Chun fantasy dreams. Many instructors teach them just for the money's sake. But not with VKCVT schools. They have always had many serious good quality students to support for VKCVT always maintains high standards by cutting the rotten branches off like you guys. No doubt you chaps got kicked out from his schools and could not find any other better Wing Chun schools to go to so you slander him and his school like a long tongue fish woman trying to get revenge. Victor Kan's good reputation is built on rock solid foundations 28 years ago before all WC instructors learn WC in the UK. Things have back fired - you guys just make yourself so ignorant and make him even more well known and respected all over the world. Even I can give you lot, the "WC experts" a basic lesson. Chum Kil is used to bring chi-sao to a higher standard when one's chi-sao is not up to basic level. Why learn Chum Kil? What for? To impress your girl or boy friends? This was the way Yip Man taught Victor Kan. This is the way Victor Kan teaches his students. Any more arguments? |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Jin Date: 8/27/2002 7:10:12 PM
IP: 213.1.192.86 |
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Here,Here |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKCVT Student Date: 9/2/2002 5:59:30 AM
IP: 80.189.8.249 |
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I remember you now CHUNG. You were the young boy who came once a week for a few months then left just after starting the Sil Nim Tao. I started the same time with you over 2 years aog. I now doing double chi sao in the 6th grade. I am very confident and happy. In your second lesson, you asked Sifu Kan if you could do FREE fighting which made use all laugh. Sifu Kan Patiently explained and showed you some simple moves over 6 or 7 times and you still could not grasp it. If I were him, I would have kicked your silly arse out. It was just unfair that you were wasting the other student's time in the class. For your information, Wing Chun has only 3 hand forms, not 4. Do not mix it up with your wanking hand form. Garfield is good like many others but Kevin Gledhill is better. However you try to get information from this forum, you won't get a free lesson from VKCVT, you cheap bugger. Stop pretending you know anything about W.C. Go wank yourself. VKCVT's worst student is better than other wing chun schools best. You have tried the rest, now try the best. Visit www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Martin Bell Date: 9/2/2002 6:01:18 AM
IP: 80.189.8.249 |
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Hi Pasco Refugee.. You sound sincere and serious but badly misled from this lot of ?ing Chun experts?in this forum. - It is really absurd to hear from you that Sifu Victor Kan only learnt up to Sil Nim Tao (SNT not SLT). Have some sense! Please visit his website www.vingtsunvk.com. - My god you got completely mixed up. It was Leung Ting after he was kicked out from Leung Sheung? school and then went to his student Cheung Buk ?h Cheung? to continue learning Wing Chun. - In VKCVT school it takes one lesson one and a half hours to practice the basic stance or you will get your money back not 3 bloody months of nonsense. - Once you join VKCVT school with Sifu Victor Kan your generation will be automatically upgraded to 10th, same as Pasco. VKCVT school welcomes you all when you are ready. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Kanwahchit Date: 9/6/2002 2:48:14 AM
IP: 195.112.34.97 |
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What does generation matter? 10th, 11th, 12th ...1st, 2nd, 3rd, |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Johnny Blaze Date: 9/7/2002 8:38:52 AM
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There is only one WC grandmaster: Chris Chan. http://www.modelswatch.com/ showcase/models/chrischan/ You been rolled---soon to be smooched. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: WC Instructor Date: 9/9/2002 3:48:11 AM
IP: 80.189.8.88 |
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I agree with you Watchdog. I always have these from this forum in my school. They get more enjoyment by wanking themselves in front of the keyboard than practicing Kung Fu in the gym. They are nothing |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Kanwahchit Date: 9/12/2002 4:28:38 PM
IP: 213.208.105.91 |
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Your angry comments betray you WT instructor of no name and no lineage haha. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKCVT student Date: 9/16/2002 4:05:50 AM
IP: 80.189.6.178 |
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INTWERPRETER - I am Cantonese from Hong Kong. The peasants and uneducated people from Canton Province pronounce it Sil Lim Tao (SLT). The official and educated pronounciation is Sil Nim Tao (SNT), similar to "the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain". You read one Wing Chun book and you think you are a Wing Chun Expert. What a peasant! GM Victor Kan is Yip Jing, Yip Jung's Senior Kung Fu brother or "Si Hing". Yip Man told them to continue to learn Wing Chun from him after his death. So GM Victor Kan is O'Neal's Kung Fu uncle - "Si Bak". Check it out from Hong Kong! Most probably, O'Neal learnt Wing Chun incorrectly from Yip Jung who is well known for that. You have no respect for Chinese tradition and culture. You are nothing but a dick head like the others! VKCVT school is the most genuine Wing Chun school in the world, established since 1975. It gives free information about Wing CHun history since Yip Man moved to Hong Kong. Please visit and verify - www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VT Watchdog Date: 9/16/2002 4:06:44 AM
IP: 80.189.6.178 |
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Generation is very important in any Kung Fu style because from one generation to the next, each time there is the danger that some of the authenticity of technique will be lost. Therefore, the older the generation, the more genuine the instructor is. Visit www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: SunFist Date: 9/17/2002 10:52:40 PM
IP: 62.190.57.65 |
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Someone mentioned Kevin Chan. If you live in London or near to London Mr Chan is the best option for good Wing Chun. He has very good technical ability and does not hold back any information from his students. He ia always wanting to help his students progress and go forward in the true Wing Chun way. He uses his Wing Chun for real and nos what does and does not work. Go and see him. He is the best in my opinion. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKCVT school Date: 9/19/2002 6:06:08 AM
IP: 80.189.7.91 |
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There are many other modified Wing Chun schools. The instructors have learnt a different lineage of Wing Chun for a while and add some movements from other styles then claim to teach Wing Chun (a mixed-up Wing Chung. A COPYCAT). The worst kinds are the imitation or the Wing Chun look-alike ones. They pretend to teach genuine WC and temp the novice to join them by saying one can learn a lot in a short time. Avoid it. For verification visit www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 9/24/2002 11:07:40 PM
IP: 213.1.166.245 |
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VK observer,I too am a student of Grandmaster Kan I am the Sixth grade who spends a lot of time on the heavy bag(i mention this so that you can recognise me)I am stunned at the cowardly nature of your posts.You do not even have the integrity to put your name to your comments.I train with Sifu Kan on Tuesday,Thursdays and Saturdays so you will not be able to miss me.If you are indeed "up for a ruck" I will be more than happy to do to your face what I do to that bag.I dare you to reveal yourself to me you coward. David Lomax 6th grade student of Classical Ving Tsun. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKs students Date: 10/1/2002 4:43:06 AM
IP: 80.189.14.183 |
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The only reason for us to go to VKCVT is to learn the most authentic and best Ving Tsun on earth from Yip Man? best student ?Grandmaster Victor Kan. We have done full and thorough research on him. There is not one single doubt about it. We are NOT INTERESTED in what he looks like, how he runs his school, what his temper is like, how he dresses or what he likes to eat and drink. We will criticise him only if he stops teaching what he preaches - not how he teaches. The rest is not our business. This is final, ladies and gentlemen. To Verify visit: www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 10/4/2002 10:00:53 PM
IP: 213.122.57.52 |
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Old Timer have some balls and put your name to your posts.You have got me confused with someone else as Grandmaster Kan has never entered me for any competitions as he rightly believes they are a waste of time and energy. I have independantly entered one competition in 1998 hosted by R. Lemas which I won. I found this experience worthless and have since never felt the need to enter one again. Get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth off again as it seems you evidently have no idea what you are talking about and therefore your opinions on Ving Tsun and Grandmaster Kan are ultimately worthless. My challenge to VK Observer still stands. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKs students Date: 10/8/2002 4:24:54 AM
IP: 80.189.8.189 |
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VK Observer ?if you want to just do a few moves, stretch a bit and look at yourself in the mirror, join a health club. - If you wish to build up some muscle, join a body building club. - If you desire to learn genuine Ving Tsun, join VKCVT. You are one of those who just joins any old martial art school and who is not interested in Kung Fu tradition nor your sifu? background and culture. You don? care what you are learning as long as the instructor sweet talks you. Victor Kan is a traditional Chinese Kung Fu Sifu with his own character and culture. He teaches and treats all his students alike and views them as students, not as customers. He expects them to train hard so they learn Classical Ving Tsun properly. Sifu Kan goes to USA every 2 months to give lessons in his US branches, not for a refresher course as you imagine. There is no Wing Chun Master in the world as good as Grandmaster Kan. That good master in the USA is Victor Kan. Why do idiots always listen and believe in other? Hey, Judas, you are in the wrong place. Why don? you just leave? Don? expect everything has got to change just to suit you. We know why we are here and we get what we want. No way are we leaving VKCVT for some like you. Stop fabricating stories. To verify visit: www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragonhead Date: 10/9/2002 3:16:22 AM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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lineage is for dreamers and the history men thats what they be if they follow this silly master,self defence is gained from hard training and not who teaches you. to old timer well done if this man is so the wing chun body should split and discredit him as a fake and a kung fu fake ,all these think hes teaching real kung fu but he could be teaching them any old mish mash style to feed his belly. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragonhead Date: 10/10/2002 3:58:48 AM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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are their any seniors inthe vk school onthe 3rd form as i wish to see this form incase my 15yrs in my style fail. TO VK OBSERVER.well done i hope you finish the system,just like in the movies hey. TO JEWJITSU,is wondering if you could recmend abook or even a good vidieo on this defunk style. is it true that vk schools have bouncers at the door and the one soul was beaten senseless by a nother low grade student but what about his lineage and chee sa ,i m a firm beleiver in the unions and would like to join them they are free . But more importantly this master who is incompetant of the style should be thrown out of the wing chun body all the best to you muppets carry on the lineage and may it be with you at all times and the sheep may follow their master to promise land. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 10/11/2002 4:15:28 AM
IP: 213.1.184.2 |
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I am sure the readers of this thread will be able to see the pathetic nature of this "current VK students" ludicrous accusations and slander, which are rife with contradictions. 1. I am being called a coward by a person who does not have the courage to put their name to their comments! But as the chinese say: "It is easy to be brave from a distance". 2. The reference to me being a "traitor". I am not the one slagging off our teacher behind his back. This reveals you to be the moron you really are; you pay money to come to a school in which you obviously cannot handle the training! Jealousy is a very ugly thing. I can hit that bag so hard beacause of the way I was taught the Siu Nim Tao, by guess who? That's right, Grandmaster Kan. Once I find out who you are (and believe me, I will - it is only a matter of time), I will make you pay for the disrespect you have shown my Master. This will be my last posting on the subject, as I have no desire to waste my time in a childish war of words (I much prefer action). Especially in this case, as I am dealing with someone seemingly incapable of rational thought. So I'm scum and a prick am I? Just wait till I get my hands on you. - David Lomax, 6th grade student of Classical Ving Tsun. |
Subject: Kamon might be the answer to this foolishness Author: Davids Date: 10/11/2002 8:49:21 PM
IP: 62.190.57.65 |
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You need to cool down. If you don't like the training where you are, then move elsewhere. If you're in London, you cannot go wrong with Kevin Chan at Kamon Wing Chun. None of these silly politics - just good Wing Chun from a Sifu that won't hold back info. Try it and see if you like it. You can only try. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VT Watchdog Date: 10/12/2002 6:31:28 AM
IP: 80.189.10.245 |
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Bruce Forsyth: Grandmaster Victor Kan is a direct disciple of Yip Man from the early 1950?. Check it out in any Wing Chun Book;s ?C family tree?or ?oots of WC? Please do some simple home work. VKCVT is the original version. VKCVT is the effective version. Read my response to ?ld Timer?and judge by yourself. Old Timer: Oh my god! Another old cut off rotten branch seeks revenge by making up bad stories about Sifu Kan. Surely there will be more to come. Maybe that? one of the ways how GM V Kan keeps his school? standard high all the time. Since 1975 old students graduate (7th grade) and leave. New students come. - Any WC practitioner in the world knows this simple rule ?ood Chi Sau does not equal good fighting ability? No big deal. Did you just find that out? - You know so much about fighting in your talking, why didn? you open a fighting school and be a master. Blah, blah, blah? - As for Sifu Kan? student in Hong Kong doing chi sao and ending up in hospital for 2 days. What I heard from other stories is that he died after 2 days. Ha Ha Ha! - Sifu Kan has many rich students driving BMW, Mercedez, Ferrarri etc. I have observed that he talks more to those with a push bke or an old banger. You are simply jealous. - Wong Sheung Leung? chief UK instructor was trying to do some recruiting for students and showing off in Sifu Kan? Seminar in 1992. He was beaten comprehensively by two of Victor Kan? 7th grade students ?Kevin Gledhill and Michael Street. I have seen it with my own eyes ??eeing is believing? Solid proof: W.N Wong Sheung Leung Ving Tsun UK. Find it out yourself in the internet. When Wong found out about this he was very angry with Potter. How could he do such a thing to his favourite Kung Fu brother. This was so disgraceful that Wong lost so much face in the King Kong martial arts circle. - Wong? chief German instructor Phillip came to London to take Chi Sau lessons secretly to improve his standard with one of Sifu Kan? ex students after Wong? death. He then went back to Germany to show his students how good his Ving Tsun is. - Sifu Kan told us Wong? nick name in 50? Hong Kong was ?ing of Challenges? He challenged many other styles of Kung Fu and never lost. Wong was unique. No one can copy from him, nor could he teach anyone what he had. Same as a "Born Fighter?like Mike Tyson. We all respect him. - David Lomax. I never met this guy. He seems to have Wong? nature and instinct (spirit) with Martin? loyalty. Plus with Sifu Kan? supreme Ving Tsun techniques and experience. If he continues to train diligently under Sifu Kan? expert eyes ?wow! He is going to be something. - Sifu Kan never enters any competitions nor tournaments since he opened his school in 1975. He only teaches his students to defend themselves effectively in any public places when trouble arises, not for tournaments. You are making a very big mistake here by fabricating stories like this and trying to stir up shit between schools. You are a bloody liar. The feeling of being ?ut off?is terrible. Take a few sleeping pills, try to go to sleep to forget. Poor old bugger! |
Subject: Classical Ving Tsun Author: Victor Kan Date: 10/12/2002 6:33:18 AM
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Nowadays, students frequently ask to be taught more forms before they have learned the first form ?Sil Nim Tao correctly. They seem to think that the more forms they learn in a short time, the better they will become. This is of course nonsense! It is essential that students learn and understand the first form before progressing, otherwise their depth of knowledge will be shallow and they will develop bad habits. An old Chinese saying is that it is pointless having many knives in one's pocket if none of them cut. Students come to my club for more advanced training. They say they know and understand all the forms but when they participate in real chi sao, their shallow knowledge shows itself. Their hand positions are wrong, they lack sensitivity and respond too slowly, and they can't block their opponent's strikes. This is the basis of the old saying that one minute's chi sao allows you to determine who is the better performer. So a correct mental attitude is essential to success. To see whether the student has this attitude, the good sifu will test him and look for humbleness, willingless to learn and perseverance. Those without these characteristics never develop real skill in the system. Remember, one thousand hours of training for one minute's use. For verification visit: www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKCVT Senior Date: 10/15/2002 4:46:34 AM
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Dragonhead ?lineage, generation means nothing to you because you don't care if your mother was a prostitute and who your father was. You must be a DIY instructor completely mixed up in your own Dargonhead. Our school doesn't need bouncers. We don't show off. We just take action. ?eat the bully, help the weak? is VKCVT school? slogan. To verify, visit www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Victor Kan Date: 10/20/2002 3:09:42 AM
IP: 80.189.5.115 |
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Nowadays, students frequently ask to be taught more forms before they have learned the first form ?Sil Nim Tao correctly. They seem to think that the more forms they learn in a short time, the better they will become. This is of course nonsense! It is essential that students learn and understand the first form before progressing, otherwise their depth of knowledge will be shallow and they will develop bad habits. An old Chinese saying is that it is pointless having many knives in one's pocket if none of them cut. Students come to my club for more advanced training. They say they know and understand all the forms but when they participate in real chi sao, their shallow knowledge shows itself. Their hand positions are wrong, they lack sensitivity and respond too slowly, and they can't block their opponent's strikes. This is the basis of the old saying that one minute's chi sao allows you to determine who is the better performer. So a correct mental attitude is essential to success. To see whether the student has this attitude, the good sifu will test him and look for humbleness, willingless to learn and perseverance. Those without these characteristics never develop real skill in the system. Remember, one thousand hours of training for one minute's use. For verification visit: www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: VKCVT student Date: 10/20/2002 11:26:01 PM
IP: 80.189.4.173 |
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I have learnt the modified Wing Chun for a year with that self proclaimed sifu, god knows where he came from. He taught me loads of rubbish. Surely he has not got much to hold back. VKCVT is 20% dearer but I am learning the 100% genuine article. I gain so much more. One has to pay a bit more for quality. The inflation rate of the training fee is about 5% per annum in VKCVT school. Not bad at all. Visit www.vingtsunvk.com |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Chung Date: 10/23/2002 3:39:08 AM
IP: 195.112.34.20 |
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Teacher: Did I just read a good post? Great advice. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: e-Warrior Date: 10/28/2002 2:49:29 AM
IP: 80.189.14.237 |
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Sun Fist/Davids - yeah you can't go wrong with Kevin Chan alright - unless it's good kung fu you're after. There's a poster of him in the window of China Town? Shaolin Way doing the fak sao from the second section of the SNT. Trouble is it's practically down by his belly button. Chung ? 1. You want things for free. In fact if Kan offered to pay YOU you? still complain. You see the cost of everything but the value of nothing. And the fees don? go up as often as you make out either. 2. I? rather have my sifu moan at me than receive a punch on the jaw on the street ?os I? making mistakes. Twits like you haven? realised that we?e supposed to be doing a martial art (you know, blocking, kicking punching etc.) not ballet. 3. Slow teaching style ?this was answered in my original post (point 1). 4. So he? strong. He wins by sheer brute force? So why does he jump on anyone who tries to force their way in through in chi-sao? Actually, only a mental weakling like you would seek to make physical strength a vice. 5. The opponents of VKCVT know that Kan and his students have real chi sao ability so they attack by deriding this essential part of the system (?t? just an exercise? ?t doesn? make you a better fighter?etc). If chi-sao is so useless, why do we do it? Of course I forgot - you twenty and thirty year olds know better than a four hundred year old boxing system. Oh, and raw experience gained on the street won? necessarily make you a fighter either. By the way, people do spend a long time on palm attack/wu defence but it isn? a year. Current VK Student ?A few facts might be in order. Lomax is hardly a coward. He does NOT punch the bag near the top where it? soft. And he does do ?hat grappling thing?(chi-sao) along with his fellow 6th grades. Truth ?if by ?eing up to standard?you mean yours, then we at VKCVT are not prepared to take a backward step in quality by trying to match it. Some people get their spelling wrong, but you get the grammar screwed up as well. As for extreme slowness, Ving Tsun is meant to be learnt in 5 years or so, IF YOU TRAIN CONSTANTLY. Those of us who have to earn a living, can only visit the kwoon so a few times a week. As for money, see Chung point 1 above. Old Timer ?there are so many things you?e obviously got wrong that it would take me twenty pages to answer all of them so I?l limit myself. Actually most of them were answered by my original points 1 ?12. You?e added some new myths to my original list however. Here they are 13 GM Kan doesn? know how to fight ANSWER: The two stories I know easily demolish this one. I think the myth arises because he spent most of his time training in Yip? kwoon instead of fighting on the street along with his fellow students. What actually happened was that he waited til he had finished the system before gaining such street knowledge. The other story is that when he first came to the UK, the Chinese community treated him with distain, because they were unaware of his Martial Arts background. To correct this, he issued, and successfully won, a series of closed door challenges. That? why he? known and respected by most of the old guard in China Town. Before anyone says that I wasn? there and so how do I know, this is true. But then it? also true of you, so how do you know these stories are false? 14 VK doesn? chi-sao with anyone bigger than himself. ANSWER: You obviously haven? seen him ?pen up? I have on at least one occasion. His opponent was considerably bigger and more powerful but Kan just played with him like a rag doll in Chi-Sao. 15 He? setting mental cases off ticking by picking on them ANSWER: It appears he? picking on these cupcakes because, well, they?e cupcakes. These people make their own problems. They don? fit in (VK Observer has admitted as much). That? not my Sifu? fault. 16 He? holding stuff back ANSWER: A totally ridiculous accusation since Sifu Kan knows he? teaching in the modern world. He wouldn? be able to retain any students whatsoever if this were true. To everyone else who hates VKCVT, don? keep posting on this thread that you sifu is better at teaching, has got a better grasp of English, can communicate his knowledge better, doesn? have a nasty personality, how many top students have left in the past or some other unimportant trifle. At the end of the day, VKs students keep on turning out to be better at Ving Tsun than most, if not all, of those training at other kwoons with alarming regularity. This is all that matters. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: ep Date: 11/2/2002 9:07:58 PM
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Is VK Observer Matthew, brown sash, as suggested by ANON? |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Anon Date: 11/5/2002 7:42:13 PM
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Yes he is and I hope Mr.Lomax will deal with him.The boy could do some serious damage....... |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: KVCVT Date: 11/9/2002 7:24:03 PM
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I agree with Vt observer. I'm a grey sash. Thats all I'm saying. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: snake Date: 11/10/2002 12:55:53 AM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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to whom it may concern lomax is the the observer you neednt look further and not mathew. |
Subject: . Author: . Date: 11/13/2002 2:06:08 AM
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the picture show man who is smaller than hawkin chung. hawkin is small and kan is big so how cam it be kan? |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: teenager Date: 11/13/2002 2:31:48 AM
IP: 24.239.129.143 |
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prof zhong you wrong you big dong, what a con you are on, thats just a guy called young wong. you try to be fly but you just bombed.... |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: old timer Date: 11/13/2002 2:55:13 AM
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I hope everyone is aware this is all john raman and his rants...he was a script writer who had to write as different characters??? he still pissed off. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragonhead Date: 11/19/2002 10:18:36 PM
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u bunch of ignorant inbred remedails follow ur plastic master who teaches plastic chinese kata moves to his sheep baa baa ,it so clear that vk didnt finish the system this would explain why his top student is naf af 31 yrs he gets his kicked by a nobody,ur masters lineage is pure its like spiders web who else did he learn from ,im amazed people go to the school he teaches at knowing they wont learn jack the only place it will work is in a brothel for a small price u can even learn more thats why hes the pimp and ur the sheep of his sorry school king of chee so yeh the king of shite,his top students have left and joined others ps that his him on those photos dont lie vk uv been found out but the finish is near more will be revealled more people know about ur past than u think |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: snake Date: 11/22/2002 3:35:16 AM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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its quite clear that their are trolls at your school ,your one of them(vkvt) but never mind all good things come to an end let us hope so does yours,i was wondering if your master borrowed the lineage thing or is it a franchise in this style. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragonhead Date: 11/26/2002 9:39:48 PM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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its quite obvious u practice at vicar cons,i hear the vicar gives a good prayer service to his flock of sheep baa,baa but they listen and dont progress i hope ur not in this league of lost souls as well as suspect lineage ref photos,please dont be silly they are the vicar con hes brain washed thinking their not their more facts and photos on their way ,is true that he teaches the fok soo incorrectly ,i supose when u reach the vicars level u can change what u like so does he lack the tech/abil or was that fok soo hes passing down taught to him by some one else all the best u sheep dont forget ur lineage. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: dragonhead Date: 11/26/2002 9:39:51 PM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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its quite obvious u practice at vicar cons,i hear the vicar gives a good prayer service to his flock of sheep baa,baa but they listen and dont progress i hope ur not in this league of lost souls as well as suspect lineage ref photos,please dont be silly they are the vicar con hes brain washed thinking their not their more facts and photos on their way ,is true that he teaches the fok soo incorrectly ,i supose when u reach the vicars level u can change what u like so does he lack the tech/abil or was that fok soo hes passing down taught to him by some one else all the best u sheep dont forget ur lineage. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Mark Thomas Date: 11/29/2002 12:04:49 AM
IP: 62.190.57.65 |
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Old Timer, What school in London are the VK students going to to gain extra Chi Sau practise? Wong Shun Leung's, WT's, Kamon's, Nick Smart's? These are the important questions, they would indicate which London school schools the best Chi Sau. Mark |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: snake Date: 11/29/2002 10:35:25 PM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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to vkvt student you sound like a spears record that every one knows wsl was the champions champions you trolls shouldnt even dream of comparing your master with WSL ,WSL proved him self in the streetshow good he was which more that can be said about your master and those ballet leasons you lot attend ,WSL schools have expanded and your masters top students have left to join WSL SCHOOLS, REF;i was watching a video of yip man doing SLT AND HIS FOK SAO IS NOT FLAT ,COULD any in your school answer the problem with flat fok sao since yip man didnt do flat fok sao. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: MI6 Date: 11/30/2002 1:01:58 AM
IP: 193.113.48.11 |
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Actions speaks louder than words, after 25 years how many have finished the system under Victor, how many branches has he got with teachers who have completed at least up to Biu Gee level,and yes if he only goes to give lessions in other countries for a few days how can these so-called teaches teach his system.Hmm! all this talk, if a teacher has 20 students and 15 is good than the teacher is good, but if only 1 or 3 is good something must be wrong with his teaching methods, also is a man can say you are good today and rubbish tomorrow what will he do to you or say about you..Victor might know a little bit more than you regarding kung fu, but in businee he has no idea because he always fails in all his business, i wonder why? What you all should be asking yourself if he does not pass on his system before he passes away what will happen to his so-called system..no one lives forever so if you're so smart you better start taking lession everyday 7 days a week instead of writing rubbish or yo'll be left with nothing but memories and even memories fad away in time...see you all at the next lesson yes i'm one of you but can you guess who Ha, Ha. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: snake Date: 12/5/2002 3:53:38 AM
IP: 213.40.131.65 |
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soit would appear that your one of the sheep of this naf school your master hides in a shack because he hasnt answered any of the previuos questions ie linage/those photos of studing under another master along with another vt legend so dont mess around and just admit he as not learnt from top man.listen dip stick when you watch a video of yip man doing chi soo is his tan soo or fok soo ever flat,then you nurd should ask your master why he can get away with that and icant after all your learning the same thing all the best let your master con you all when you get beats look at super tan soo/fok soo . |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: another vkvt student Date: 12/7/2002 2:44:16 AM
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Sorry That was meant to be And a liar for intwerpeter? [sic] sorry! |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: snake Date: 12/11/2002 10:35:24 PM
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vkcvt/e-muppet you both agree because your probably learning the same old rubbish,your master does not know the difference between slt fok soo and the chee soo fok soo so you two clowns the planks that you are just carry on that rubbish your master teaches.you know what they say teach rubbish gung fu and you get vk rubbish out please dont be rude to any sheep their level of ving chon is far superior than you bunch of turkeys at your ballet school of advanced acting,the shepherd is your guide at the moment hes lost in the fog and his turkeys are lost e-muppet answer this if you dare who is the highest grade and how long hes been their, |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 1/2/2003 6:15:22 PM
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Would just like to let you all know the last post under 'Lomax' was not me,I always put my e-mail address and full name.Quite flattering really........ |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 1/4/2003 4:52:31 AM
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I would like you all to know that the last statement posted under 'Lomax' was not me,the real David Lomax always puts his full name and his E-mail contact address.Plus I would never refer to the GrandMaster as 'Kan' as some of the clowns do on this board. David Lomax 6th grade student of Classical Ving Tsun. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: vkcvt Date: 1/7/2003 12:50:18 AM
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bollocks. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 1/10/2003 7:16:54 PM
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Kan still sucks. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: J. Man Date: 1/11/2003 2:23:21 AM
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I would like to give my opinion in relation to this Victor Kan thread, and specifically in relation to the picture in which Hawkins Cheung, supposedly, punches at Victor Kan; and also my view relative to the Leung Sheung Class picture where Victor Kan, supposedly, appears as a student. A) The Hawkins Cheung picture: I doubt this picture deserves much comment but I will give mine nevertheless: 1. First of all, a picture where the face can not be seen is, obviously, ridiculous for this type of discussion as, in principle, it can be anybody, including Santa Claus. 2. Considering the relative size of each individual, the person in question can not be Victor Kan because in the picture he does not seem to be much bigger than Hawkins and, in reality, however, Victor Kan is quite a big man while Hawkins is quite a small man. 3. Taking into consideration seniority and traditional respect to it, that man must certainly not be Victor Kan, not only because Victor Kan would not have allowed that sort of picture to be taken but, frankly speaking, because I doubt Hawkins Cheung would ever dare ask and, let alone, take a picture like that. It is important to emphasize Hawkins is a junior in Wing Chun with respect to Victor Kan (?he path to Wing Chun? page 92; ?randmaster Yip Man Centenary Birth? page 115). 4. The possibility that Hawkins could actually ?urprise?Victor Kan in action is debatable. In my personal opinion, however, it is not very likely for various reasons I do not find necessary to detail. From my perspective, it can not be what can not be, with all due respect for Hawkins Cheung. In the same manner, I am of the belief none of the two would have ?urprised?Leung Sheung. B) The Leung Sheung Class picture and Victor Kan This picture, unlike the former one, is more interesting to talk about and, to me, is more open to debate. Personally, I have never seen Victor Kan when he was in his teens, therefore it is difficult for me to verify if the person in the picture is him or not. Besides, as a westerner I am probably less used to distinguishing oriental faces than I would with western faces. Therefore, if I tried to verify whether or not that young guy is Victor Kan, my degree of speculation based on the face alone would be very high and I do not think I could ever conclude anything in this respect. Because of this, I would choose a different argumentation to deduct that this picture is not what someone says it is and to conclude it does not imply what someone tries to imply. In addition, since the person who mentioned this picture in this forum thread also mantains Leung Ting is in the same picture where Victor Kan supposedly appears, I will use Leung Ting as a control group with which to compare all my reasoning relative to Victor Kan. Therefore, I will not refute the picture directly, instead I will provide, what I deem, enough solid evidence that Victor Kan was undoubtedly a senior student of Yip Man, so that the picture in itself will be meaningless by definition. My thinking about Victor Kan is based on the following information: 1) There is an interesting article Wong Shun Leung wrote about Victor Kan, in 1978, in the magazine ?ecrets of Kung Fu? It reads as follows. ?n London, England, is a Yung-ch?n instructor of real worth?.... ?is history with the Yung-ch?n Style is a very long one. In fact he was the man who, in the capacity of a substitute of Grandmaster Yeh Wen, taught Bruce Lee the first section of the Little Idea Form on the very day Bruce Lee knelt to Grandmaster Yeh Wen to become a Yung-ch?n disciple?.... ?e was therefore favoured by Grandmaster Yeh Wen?... ?ore than twenty years ago, Chan Cho Ch?ng...... brought him to a district restaurant workers?union, where he knelt to Grandmaster Yeh Wen to learn kung fu. He was only 14 years old then but he was tall and strong by nature, and was indefatigable after training assiduosly all day long. He never tried to learn too much in a haste, rather, he trained in an orderly way and in a down-to-earth manner. Grandmaster Yeh Wen liked him very much and gave him much personal guidance in after-class times?... I wonder if much more can be said... Surprisingly, the article contains many more comments of the same nature, however they do not refer specifically to the points I am trying to prove and, therefore, I have not added them. 2) The Hong Kong Ving Tsun Athletic Association published in the mid 90s an interesting book entitled ?randmaster Yip Man Centenary Birth? From page 111 to 118 there is an article written by Yip Chun (? chronicle of the life of Grandmaster Yip Man?. At the end of the article and the book there? a picture with Tsui Sheung Ting, Siu Yuk Man, Wong Shun Leung, Yip Chun and Yip Ching which seem all to have been in charge of the book. This article by Yip Chun lists all of the famous students Yip Man had in his entire life, stating the location where they joined for training and the year in which it took place. This article is quite extensive and began mentioning Fatshan and the people who trained there including Chow Kwong Yiu, Kwok Fu, Ng Ying, Lun Kai, Chow Sai, etc. On page 115, in the third paragraph, it reads: ?his is the later stage of the Restaurant Workers Association. At this time he was joined by Lee Kam Sing, Kan Wa Jeet (Victor Kan)...? The name of Victor Kan in bracketts appears as such as do the names of Cheung Cheuk Heng (William Cheung) on the same paragraph and Lee Siu Lung (Bruce Lee) in the next one. On page 116, in the third and fourth paragraphs, corresponding to the periods 1963-1965 and 1965-1972, respectively, a list of the private students of that time is given. Coincidentally, the name of Leung Ting is not listed anywhere in the chapter. 3. In ?he path to Wing Chun?by Samuel Kwok, on page 92, a Wing Chun family tree is presented and lists Victor Kan as a senior student of Yip Man while, interestingly, listing Leung Ting as a student of Leung Sheung. 4. In the book ?y life with Wing Chun?written by William Cheung, on page 34, gives a description of one of his fights with a Choy Lee Fut exponent named Leung and explains how after the fight Leung became friends with him (William) and also with Bruce Lee and Victor Kan. Also, at the end of the book there is quite a large lineage chart and Victor Kan is again listed as a senior student of Yip Man while Leung Ting is listed as a student of a student of Leung Sheung. 5. Finally, the pictures in Victor Kan website speak for themselves not only about Victor Kan being a student of Yip Man but also, undeniably, about high seniority as well. In fact, these pictures and what they reflect are coherent with the evidence I have commented in points 1, 2, 3 and 4 in relation to Victor Kan; and are also consistent with points 2,3 and 4 in relation to Leung Ting. All this evidence is, from my point of view, serious enough, to emphatically rule out the absurd pretension that Victor Kan were a student of Leung Sheung. The proofs I have detailed demonstrate not only that Victor Kan was a student of Yip Man but, as a matter of fact, a very senior student. Of course, we still have the picture issue left, is Victor Kan the young guy in the Leung Sheung Class? I do not know, it might be him. If so, in my opinion, owing to the overwhelming and always consistent evidence on behalf of Victor Kan being one of the most senior students of Yip Man, it would be wiser and more sensible to asume that his face in this picture may have been, timely, transported there by someone. After all, if it has been feasible to change heads in the past, how easy would it be nowadays? REFERENCES -Cheung William. (1997): ?y life with Wing Chun? -Kwok Samuel (1989): ?he Path to Wing Chun? -Ving Tsun Athletic Association: ?randmaster Yip Man Centenary Birth? -Wong Shun Leung (1978): An instructor of the Yung ch?n style in Britain. Secrets of Kung Fu Vol. 3, n?. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: vkcvt Date: 1/12/2003 2:21:37 AM
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my sifu better than yours nya |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: hardcase Date: 1/15/2003 3:00:27 AM
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every one kkows kans kung fu school is crap they just go their for the name sake ,all you have to do is look at his top students if he has any and the number of schools he or his students have. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: vkcvt Date: 1/17/2003 10:09:25 PM
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dear mr hardcase, quality is not measured by quantity . G.M.Kan is the man!! |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: hardcase Date: 1/23/2003 1:22:32 AM
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a good sign for a school is its expansion if it does not it will stagnate and that style will be defunk it must thats wy no takes ving chung seroiusly in most opinions it is play pass time for comics best thing is to enter a few k-1 compation and show your deadlyness will even stand still for you to try your stuff |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Bong South Date: 1/23/2003 4:49:54 PM
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I think that 'Ju Jitsu' must own a book shop. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: A Student Date: 2/1/2003 3:16:01 AM
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I've been doing wing chun for over 17 years and over the years i've tested it in various situations against other wing chun stylists and other styles. For years i've heard Victor kan and his students talk about their level of sticky hand s amd they are the best and every other wing chun is chop suey wing chun. Well I know for a fact that when Wong Shun Leung was in England one year, his student Anthony Kan defeated him in a sticky hands challenge. This has also been verified by former Kan students as well as wong Shun Leungs students. Also i Know Victor has said things about William Cheung in magazines, but in a Fighters magazine issue he claimed that Cheung was the super streetfighter. So why the hypocrisy |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: alvestonthomas Date: 2/5/2003 12:33:06 PM
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dear alveston thomas, bollocks |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Bong South Date: 3/5/2003 9:02:56 PM
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This is all very strange. Let people vote with their feet. I can't say that I know Mr Kan, but as a senior Wing Chun figure he deserves my respect. Martial arts are built on respect, and whether you like or agree with Victor Kan anyone dedicating their lives to Wing Chun should be respected. As I've stated in previous postings I hate the idea of exorbitant pricing structure, paying extra to learn 'secret techniques' etc. But I still have the utmost respect for anyone dedicating their lives to their art, be it Wing Chun or whatever. If you don't like what's being taught, leave. You don't have to agree with your seniors, you don't even have to like them. But you do have to show them a little respect. And you appear not to be doing this. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Bong South Date: 3/9/2003 5:35:51 AM
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Well, fair enough. But this thread is now as compelling as a road traffic accident; I can't wait for the next riddiculous installment. And given that it now takes me 3 years just to scroll to the end of it I shall say this and only this: PLEASE!!! FOR THE SAKE OF MY SANITY IF NOTHING ELSE, STOP CONTRIBUTING!!! I can't go out, my wife is divorcing me, my son shows me no respect. And why? Because I just sit by the computer all day waiting for the moderators to stop watching old kung fu films and release more installments of this fascinating insight into human nature. I beg of you all; don' make my son an orphan. Stop this nonsense now. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: third person Date: 3/12/2003 2:10:35 AM
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see what I mean. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Bong South Date: 3/13/2003 12:30:02 AM
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Very eloquant, INTWERPRETER. I counted the work twat(s) 7 times, 4 instances of which were directed at me. Nice to see that Kung Fu is still broadening and enriching the minds of its practitioners. Just for the record I don't regard myself as a DIY philosopher. My 'philosophy', such as it is, has been shaped my my family, my upbringing, and my SiFu. You are entitled to you opinion (and more than welcome to it), but you don't know me. To make such a vicious judgement on my nature without any facts apart from what I write here does little but degrade your own arguments. I practice Wing Chun for several reasons, I'm sure that we all do. But one of these reasons is to help me to control my temprament, and to use the Chi Kung aspect of it to be a more focused individual. Which, for me, is the whole point. I don't do Wing Chun so that I can argue that my dad is bigger or better than anyone elses, so I won't bother trying. Here's some tin-pot philosophy for you. Even of you don't agree with everyone elses opinion, try to understand it. If you can't even understand it, who's losing out, you or them? |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Nao Date: 3/21/2003 5:09:47 PM
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This is the best comparison of Victor Kan, Saddam Hussein! I am glade someone else has said it before me. Another one was good GM Leung Ting, Geneticly Modified Wing Chun Grandmaster!! enjoy |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: David Lomax Date: 3/27/2003 6:44:26 PM
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Your posts would be more credible if you had a better grasp of basic spelling and grammer you clown.I hope your gung fu is of a higher standard then the prattish drivel you write here. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: hardcase Date: 3/31/2003 1:15:56 AM
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its clear you clowns dont like to try your stuff.these fighters you kicked out would have done your club the world of good ,some who does this kind of thing has got his head screwed on right their most likely geared up not for just the attack but to counter it where as you lot are just a bunch of actors in a b movie,your master is scared of real kung fu fighters because they fight back meat ball,or it may be that they show the faults in his style because of its limitations,all the best il be training for my next fight in may in germany im the to tough in the ring 2nd to last fight ,sorry i cant spell E-muppet. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: horse has turned to oil deposit Date: 4/6/2003 2:01:09 PM
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hah |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: hardcase Date: 4/11/2003 5:49:39 AM
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about what palm it want work,as for students who at this school with good this that palm should leave and start their own school and rip students off just like all wing chun cowboys, put your skills to the test in k-1 or cage fights or retire to sunny climates |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Tommy Date: 4/23/2003 6:51:31 PM
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If Kan is so great why are his students taking classes with Kamon. If Kan is great, why is he dominated by money. If Kan is great, why are his students on a forum telling the world he's a bad sifu. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Vkstudent Date: 5/3/2003 6:17:14 PM
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If e-warrior was a lawyer, he'd win the case for the opposition. haha |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: James Buckle Date: 5/27/2003 4:23:14 PM
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E-Warrior, I have no bones with VK but you really do sound like a man on the defensive. Why don't you check out other Wing Chun clubs in the London area and then report back on this forum. I'm sure VK is a fine instructor, but it is also my opinion he is not the best in London. Be a little more open and see what others are offering. You will be in a better position to judge VK and his skill and his teaching. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: hardcase Date: 5/28/2003 3:18:45 AM
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e_ muppet you should take along look in a mirror and ask what have i learnt to date ,all you wing chun bods do is dream your kung fu will only work on girls even then youll still get slapped,the biggest problem in your school is that your master will not let you progress unless you crawl to him or pay him then teach you any thing ,this is how people dont progress in schools,if one student tries things let himwith guards on .all the best. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Pasco david Sifu Date: 6/10/2003 3:40:24 PM
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Please eWarrior you have this below incorrect regarding me.If I told you this or someone told you this regarding learning WC with Master Wong.This is wrong, Please remove your statement about me. Thanks Pasco david Sifu. 'After he left VK, Pasco apparently visited Wong to finish the system. He asked how much money and how much time he would need. Wong's answer? "How much time and how much money have you got?" So don't keep telling me Sifu Kan is a grasping bean counter and Wong and other sifus were/are a paragon of virtue. Everyone thinks about money. It's called Capitalism. The big C is the reason guys like you mistake methodical, traditional teaching (which takes time) with a scam. In fact, it's people like you who keep on about ?oney making exercises?who are really concerned about the dough.' |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: JerryLewis Date: 6/13/2003 9:21:16 PM
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but one question: i know about the fact that one or two of his long time and best studends (Desmond Spencer and Michael Street) changed to a Wong Shun Leung Studend, named Phillip Bayer. They said that Phillip Bayer has just one hand... how can this be? |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Pasco david Sifu Date: 6/15/2003 1:07:28 AM
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To e-warrior please remove what you have stated about me regarding Master Wong Sheung Leung, it is wrong. Pasco david Sifu |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: tommy Date: 6/17/2003 9:15:11 PM
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You do know that if Kan's students went to take a look at a class run by Kevin Chan none of them would ever go back. It is the truth. He is better. His students are better. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: James Date: 6/19/2003 6:22:57 PM
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You guys are a bloody joke. Inhouse fighting, trying to scare people by saying you have their personal details (which should be confidential to your Sifu). Funny, funny, funny. Here's the truth, Kan is an old man. His Wing Chun days, as an exponent and a teacher are passed (teaching stills gone because he now has a bad memory). He keeps students because they cling to the fact he was a student of Ip Man. Wake up people. There is some very good WingChun in London and the surrounding areas. Instead just about every other group in the UK has more students and produces people with better chi sau and fighting skills. Why do you think that is? Ask yourself this. How long have you trained? Then go to another school and watch those who have trained for the same period. Once your eyes have been opened, go and see Kan, respectfully explain the situation and then join an organisation that will help you progress! It is a crying shame such people hand over their money and five years later still cannot chi sau or fight. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: JerryLewis Date: 6/23/2003 5:52:42 AM
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i? italian and i met Wong Shun Leung and Philip Bayer in Italy twice, later Phillip Bayer again with Desmond and Michael in London. Believe me, Phillip Bayer have the gratest Skill i ever saw. Des and Michael Street invited Phillip to London but first they went to Germany. And please ask Desmond or Michael and learn the facts. Visit also WongShunLeung.com and see Desmond? training session at the bag in Phillip? school. Jerry |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Mark Date: 7/7/2003 4:16:44 PM
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Exactly right. Has anyone from Kan's actually been to see Samual Kwok or Kevin Chan. Mr Chan often gives demonstrations - take a look and post here to let us know what you think. I attended one of his demonstrations and it was clear the man has great skills, good Wing Chun and some high quality students. Mark William Smithson |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Mark Date: 7/15/2003 3:55:33 PM
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Close but no cigar! Kevin Chan teaches Wing Chun and also studies BJJ. It sez so on his site. Can't you read? LOL |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Bong South Date: 7/17/2003 6:31:58 PM
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Does this thread end when it hits 300? |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Robert Date: 11/17/2003 11:17:59 PM
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For God's sake! VK is a teaching bad Wing Chun. When will you sad sods realise it. Pathetic!!!! :-( |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: servent Date: 2/19/2004 4:00:53 AM
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the mark of amaster is one who has lots of schools and a great reputation ,you seem to be stuggling maybe you should get a grant from the national lottery as well as some bad actors,but keep playing fu and hope no one tries to kick your but for real. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: clone Date: 2/20/2004 11:11:00 PM
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i think you are vko and your back tracking so gmvk can teach you some special moves thats why you have stopped writing all this rubbish as for your club it might as well teach hockey who is top student if you have any e-muppet and your troll leader be careful dont get caught up in the lineage saga it doesnt work in the real world only in your bed rooms fu fairy fighters |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: clone Date: 2/22/2004 12:14:22 AM
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their are no myths you buy your belts and so on as so you are vko read clone magget brain and you will learn it does not pay to hide the truth because every one knows because the senseable ones leaveand the thickies stay their probably not gone move until the euro devalues but all the best iam in training for my next bout i hope i get a ving/wing/ving/sun/tsun/chun fighter i hope all the best see you in march fu fighters keep playing fu dont be scared to reply listen you wont get hurt even from an email. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Bong South Date: 2/25/2004 5:12:46 AM
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Yes! Well done my Kung Fu brothers and sisters... We're nearly there. Lets get this thread up to 300 before April, shall we? Bong. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Wing Chun Student Date: 3/11/2004 10:39:17 PM
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Kevin Chan who was a student of Lee Sing - No he wasn't. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: clone Date: 3/12/2004 5:23:33 AM
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terry left the school because what he was learning did not work in the class with fellow students and not the rubbish your sifu or his helper want make up to lie to the public their kung fu is as bad as their tales.more trash kung fu more trash sheep ie no progress in school only in the wallet just do it. |
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: excpstudent Date: 3/13/2004 8:39:59 PM
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I used to train with clive potter for a few years. In my opinion he is the best teacher in UK. I find it very hard to believe that Mike Street beat him because after he met clive he was having private lessons with him. I know because he had one straight after mine once. Why would he travel out of London and pay someone who he beat to train him? Whatever you may think of Clive you cannot flaw his skill or teaching. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: clone Date: 3/17/2004 7:25:11 PM
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alright son shine take a chill pill and you will begin to imagine your a kung fu master its all right your master is the same your only following the sheep in to the promise land once you get all your belts you will teach trash can gung fu but just pray you dont have to try that crap out for real because it doesnt work martin all ways feeds students with crap and thats why aka j romaan kicked his has his kung fu didnt work and neither does cans ,can had the cops on stand by in case j romaan came in to take on the entire school he would have kicked all of them into touch including can . |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: clone Date: 3/22/2004 4:03:24 AM
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doctor no way the reason that vk has changed things around is due to the fact that the standard of kung fu in the school is so low that you can pass all grades on the net ,this is due to every one susing out trash can fu so it is natutraul for the standard to be adjusted so as to pass hows that for a starter for one.has cans assistant completed the dummy or is that students learn that earlierin their course see ya wouldnt waana be u. |
Subject: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: BongSauBen Date: 3/28/2004 5:35:50 AM
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Wow can you imagine what would happen if ALL that studied Wing Chun began to learn from one another we could start to look forward instead of looking to the past. If there is anyone out there that would like to exchange ideas and talk about wing chun please contact me. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: expert Date: 4/28/2004 2:28:22 AM
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confused you will be this system of your sifu is nonsense all the good students have left only the defence less are left being lead in to the ,how many of these students can fight ,none ,fact sifus assistant baeten up by a no body just like sifu close freind in australia so its true system is rubbish wont work.all 108 students are kung fu cut outs,when sifu Can does like some one he says i cant teach you so student leaves ,naff master please rely do not aviod or buy pass this your style lacks credabilaty sorry english not very good. |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: PhilS Date: 7/13/2004 4:08:30 PM
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Hi there just thought I would spare some thoughts on your post. Below are quotes from your post, its surprising to think that this was written by a Victor Kan student, its enough to put anyone of the old gambling fool. "Give me one more year and we will have a school to be proud of with students who can put up a real fight against anyone. This is something which Victor Kan has not been able to achieve in 25 years of teaching! " So old VK is a bad teacher. "But there is still a lot, lot more to do, as the first four belts which cover on average 1-2 years is still very boring for beginners. Several student union members have commented on this and some have left for good. Saying the teaching is far too slow and some Student Union members have said this is a way to extract more money from them." Teaching is far too slow. "If you stand there in a strong stance as you have shown for the first 9 months, then you will absorb the full impact of an opponents strike." No understanding of basic turns which most schools teach within couple of months! "Could the biggest myth on this forum be that Victor Kan learnt VT with GM Yip Man? Could it be a fact that Victor Kan was with GM Yip Man for few weeks?" "Even at our school, how many times have I seen people come to the school for a few weeks and leave? " "It proves in fact that he learnt the VT system with a student of GM Leung Sheung. The student union are not too worried if this finding is true but just reduce your prices by 5 pounds per lesson accordingly and teach quicker. We all know when people are wasting time for their own gain." And to top it of you and other VK students now doubt your 'masters' history/knowledge. "Students are not willing to pay over the going rate to learn from NON Yip Man lineage Masters unless they can throw in something useful and workable like grappling etc. Thanks." You lot are A bunch of worthless sheep! You know yourself what you are learning is rubbish, over priced and dubious, yet you still want to learn from this con man ? "The student union are not too worried if this finding is true but just reduce your prices by 5 pounds per lesson accordingly and teach quicker. We all know when people are wasting time for their own gain." Do you really know when people are wasting your time? smell the coffee dude. Listen up ,its blatently obvious to you and the rest of kans students that he is teaching rubbish and ripping you all off (gambling aint cheap!) ,yet you dumb mf'ers are still willing to study with him? I can understand why some people are so hung up on lineage they really want to learn the old fashioned way, but if you really want to learn to fight go to a decent teacher of modified wing chun ie it can cope with various attacking styles like grappling,groundwork etc. Ask yourself this even if Kan was a student of Yip man so what ? how many thousand's of students did he have, do you think they were all good because their teacher was? And if you know yourself his wing chun is no good then stop wasting your life and go find a decent wc/wt teacher regurdless of who taught them. Noone's going to ask you your lineage before punching your head in !. cu, Phil.S |
Subject: Re: Re: Myths concerning VK and VKCVT Author: Danny Date: 9/21/2010 4:03:57 AM
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I left because of being insulted by victor. I was at a difficult time of my life a thought that studying under victor would help. But after a sideways comment from him, I left. Who would want to train under a twisted man. |